Carry permit at last

ruger22 · Post by **ruger22** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:34 pm

So long as we're off topic......

I had a 72 Plymouth Cricket (aka Hillman Avenger) in later 70's. Got it for $300, with 35K on it, because the dash wiring had shorted and caused a minor fire. I redid the wiring with Radio Shack wire & switches, and the dash with spray paint and Masonite. Resold the car three years later with 70K, for $700. Paid for itself. Only kick was what I've always heard on British cars. Constant drips of every fluid.

I now have a 2005 Scion XB. Looks like a big toaster with wheels. Fun car for an old fart of 52. I get a lot of stares from kids. Mine is black with red wheels. But, I get 30mpg in town, 38 highway and everything is still original after 33K miles except the oil, plugs, and filters. May be the best car I ever had.

ruger22 · Post by **ruger22** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:45 pm

blue68f100 wrote: Welcome to the CC world. You will find that most have to modify or change their wardrobe.

Another plus for my Bobcat. It will fit in any but a watch pocket. I am considering what someone else said, I can't find the post, but something about carrying two guns being quicker than reloading?

I guess two Bobcats would be a simple carry. Not quite as dramatic as two 1911's. I loved the scene in "Last Man Standing" where Bruce Willis empties two 1911's, from a double shoulder rig, into a bad guy. Very Hollywood, but still impressive.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:10 pm

ruger22 wrote:
blue68f100 wrote: Welcome to the CC world. You will find that most have to modify or change their wardrobe.
Another plus for my Bobcat. It will fit in any but a watch pocket. I am considering what someone else said, I can't find the post, but something about carrying two guns being quicker than reloading?

I guess two Bobcats would be a simple carry. Not quite as dramatic as two 1911's. I loved the scene in "Last Man Standing" where Bruce Willis empties two 1911's, from a double shoulder rig, into a bad guy. Very Hollywood, but still impressive.

My self defense mentor aleys said that the fastest reload is a second gun. He and a lot of his cohorts all ex LEO' with experience carry at least two, he normalyy carries three. Myself, an SA 19111 Micro and a KelTec P3AT, and that is small enough. The 1911 should take care of the primary, the other gun will get me to the car for a reload on the 1911.

greener · Post by **greener** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:08 am

ruger22 wrote:
blue68f100 wrote: Welcome to the CC world. You will find that most have to modify or change their wardrobe.
Another plus for my Bobcat. It will fit in any but a watch pocket. I am considering what someone else said, I can't find the post, but something about carrying two guns being quicker than reloading?

I guess two Bobcats would be a simple carry. Not quite as dramatic as two 1911's. I loved the scene in "Last Man Standing" where Bruce Willis empties two 1911's, from a double shoulder rig, into a bad guy. Very Hollywood, but still impressive.

You could upgrade your firepower with a snubbie revolver or a Kel-tec or LCP .380. All work well as pocket guns.

A range acquaintance had to send his Taurus 850 back to Taurus for repairs and he is singing the blues about having to carry a big Beretta 92. I suggested he look at a Bobcat for light and pocket size. The 850 is well north of 50k rounds and the hammer spring went. He can't order one from Taurus. It's restricted and repairs are covered under warranty.

ruger22 · Post by **ruger22** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:14 pm

greener wrote: You could upgrade your firepower with a snubbie revolver or a Kel-tec or LCP .380. All work well as pocket guns.

I've always considered the Walther PPK to be the Rolls Royce of pistols. A S&W stainless PPK may be in my future, if .380 gets back to "normal" availability and S&W has definitely got the bugs out of their Walther production.

Kel-Tec or the LCP don't work for me. I consider polymer to be just a ten dollar word for plastic. I doubt I'd ever buy a gun with any plastic besides grips.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:53 pm

ruger22 wrote:
greener wrote: You could upgrade your firepower with a snubbie revolver or a Kel-tec or LCP .380. All work well as pocket guns.
Kel-Tec or the LCP don't work for me. I consider polymer to be just a ten dollar word for plastic. I doubt I'd ever buy a gun with any plastic besides grips.

Got to admit plastic/polymer may not be pretty but it does get the job Donne, otherwise so many Law enforcement agencies would not use the different brands of plastic/polymer pistols. My KelTec does work though, every time you pull the trigger it will go bang. As far as ammo, cost to possibly save my life, cost is not a factor. No it is not a target gun and you do not shoot a lot of ammo up with it, so that keeps the cost down. Every couple moths a mag full, just to check function and then back in the pocket.

greener · Post by **greener** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:11 pm

bearandoldman wrote:
ruger22 wrote:
greener wrote: You could upgrade your firepower with a snubbie revolver or a Kel-tec or LCP .380. All work well as pocket guns.
Kel-Tec or the LCP don't work for me. I consider polymer to be just a ten dollar word for plastic. I doubt I'd ever buy a gun with any plastic besides grips.
Got to admit plastic/polymer may not be pretty but it does get the job Donne, otherwise so many Law enforcement agencies would not use the different brands of plastic/polymer pistols. My KelTec does work though, every time you pull the trigger it will go bang. As far as ammo, cost to possibly save my life, cost is not a factor. No it is not a target gun and you do not shoot a lot of ammo up with it, so that keeps the cost down. Every couple moths a mag full, just to check function and then back in the pocket.

I like the steel guns better than the polymer guns. The all-steel 1911's and revolvers just feel right. However, the modern polymer and composite materials being used in firearms is pretty tough stuff, in some cases better than steel. Lighter weight, no rust. I've got some pretty good tupperware in my collection. As Len says, they go bang when you pull the trigger. They also (sometimes unfortunately) send the bullet where you were pointing the barrel when it went bang.

The lighter weight of polymer or aluminium alloys give the pocket guns a nice advantage of less weight.

smokey · Post by **smokey** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:14 pm

ruger22 wrote:
greener wrote: You could upgrade your firepower with a snubbie revolver or a Kel-tec or LCP .380. All work well as pocket guns.
Kel-Tec or the LCP don't work for me. I consider polymer to be just a ten dollar word for plastic. I doubt I'd ever buy a gun with any plastic besides grips.

I used to feel the same way and have to say that I am still partial to all steel handguns. However, the polymer frames are much lighter and thus easier to carry. They have also been proven now over a fairly long period of time. Almost all law enforcement agencies now carry the polymer frame handguns. They have their place today if you want to carry comfortably.

Hakaman · Post by **Hakaman** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:03 pm

I used to feel the same way and have to say that I am still partial to all steel handguns. However, the polymer frames are much lighter and thus easier to carry. They have also been proven now over a fairly long period of time. Almost all law enforcement agencies now carry the polymer frame handguns. They have their place today if you want to carry comfortably.

They do make like metal guns that are very light weight:
SKU: 163072
Model: M&P340
Caliber: .357MAG/.38+P
Capacity: 5 Rounds
Barrel Length: 1.87"
Front Sight: XS Sights® 24/7 Tritium Night
Rear Sight: Integral U-Notch
Grip: Synthetic
Overall Length: 6.31"
Weight Empty: 13.3 oz.
Material: Scandium Alloy Frame/Stainless Steel Cylinder
Finish: Matte Black
Frame Size: Small - Centennial Style
Action: Double Action Only

I don't care, personally, what a gun is made of as long as it holds up to father time, and is reliable.
Haka

bigfatdave · Post by **bigfatdave** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:42 pm

ruger22 wrote:Kel-Tec or the LCP don't work for me. I consider polymer to be just a ten dollar word for plastic. I doubt I'd ever buy a gun with any plastic besides grips.

Yeah, those plastic guns are junk.
Nobody has done 10,000 round torture tests on them or anything.

SA XD 20,000 round torture test, including:
-being run over by a Toyota Tundra repeatedly
-filling with dirt, mud, ice, water, sand.
-thrown down a 100-foot slope
-100% de-lubed with a chem de-greaser
-fired in 250-shot rapid-fire strings (25 10-round mags fired without pausing)
http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdo ... tory11.php

Yep, those poly guns are pure junk, only suitable as kids' toys!

(now I'm off to the range to shoot the crap out of my poly junk guns!)

Hakaman · Post by **Hakaman** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:10 pm

Does polymer melt? hmmm?
haka

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:15 pm

Hakaman wrote:Does polymer melt? hmmm?
haka

Eventually, but then so does steel and aluminum and all them other exotic alloy and the magnesium burns really bright also.

bigfatdave · Post by **bigfatdave** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:26 am

Hakaman wrote:Does polymer melt? hmmm?
haka

The stuff they are making these frames out of?
Not at any temperature you could reach by firing rounds through the gun in any reasonable scenario.
I'm not worried about the poly frames, what with reading about slide cracking in steel guns.

tommyhaka · Post by **tommyhaka** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:26 am

well, I'm thinking of a hot summer day. Would the poly frames start to soften up and become unreliable?
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bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:34 am

tommyhaka wrote:well, I'm thinking of a hot summer day. Would the poly frames start to soften up and become unreliable?
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If you think it may cause a problem you may want to put it in the deep freeze overnight before carrying it. Make sure you use an outside holster though so as not to get frostbite.