Police to add monkeys to the force.

Curmudgeon · Post by **Curmudgeon** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:10 am

It is one thing for the US Navy to use dolphins to secure retrieval collars on spent torpedo casings for recovery or use dogs to sniff out "medications", but this seems to be over the line IMHO.

http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci ... 00106.html

I don't feel good about using animals in this manner. Was the Police dog blessing, permission to create a animal assault team?

Post by **Bullseye** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:10 am

To quote the late Charlie Heston, "Damn dirty apes!"

R,
Bullseye

Curmudgeon · Post by **Curmudgeon** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:33 pm

Ya, good flick. I just think arming an ape and sending his where you are afraid to go it wrong.

The Police dog has crossed over from the Protector of the officer to the aggressive first attacker. It's not going in the right direction in my opinion.

Post by **Bullseye** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:27 pm

Good point with the police dog example. These animals can be a key law enforcement tool by providing levels of investigation far beyond what technology or human kind can do. But if the dogs are indiscriminately employed as a first strike weapon, they can be an excessive use of force.

R,
Bullseye

Yleefox · Post by **Yleefox** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:27 pm

I didn't see anything in the orginal story that indicated the monkey would be armed. It said, two-way radio, camera, and kevlar vest, but no mention, that I could see, about a weapon of any kind.

Frankly, if the monkey could be of appropriate value in resolving an issue, without the loss of human life, I'm all for it. And I'd say sending a monkey into a dangerous situation, is not an act of cowardice, but a smart move. Certainly seems like it would be more manuverable than a robot too.

And just think, wave a banana at it, and he's your friend for life.

Y

Curmudgeon · Post by **Curmudgeon** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:14 pm

I didn't see a gun either. My point was that the Dog started out to be a defender of the police officer and dr ug dog. Times have changed where I see the Dog taking the lead attack roll while the Police stay back for their safety.

You are assuming they will never arm him, I think they will eventually like the Dogs task has been enhanced, and make the firing mechanism a TV camera and remote controlled trigger. Possibly a tear gas grenade at first or other non-lethal device, and escalating from there.

Post by **Bullseye** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:26 pm

Probably the funniest part of the article is the monkey donning a two-way radio. Who are the police going to train to speak monkey?

Is the monkey really going to tell them anything of any tactical use?

Seriously, the radio is likely for the police to establish communications with the hidden suspect, but the other idea is much more comical to ponder.

R,
Bullseye

I like that dancing rooster.

Yleefox · Post by **Yleefox** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:34 pm

I didn't assume any such thing. I merely stated the orginial article didn't mention arming the monkey and it was in response to your statement
"I just think arming an ape and sending his where you are afraid to go it wrong..

It would seem to me that being able to send a monkey into a building where children or other innocent people might be held, either against their will or otherwise, and being able to ascertain their positions/conditions/or even that they are present, before an assualt with firearms is nothing more than good common sense.

I will admit to taking offense to your comment, "sending him where you are afraid to go." But I did try to lighten my reply with the banana joke.

Yleefox

Curmudgeon · Post by **Curmudgeon** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:34 pm

I never thought of that, maybe a 'signing' ape with a camera on his hands would work.

I can't believe that these cornered rats are going to respect the messengers life. The authorities have a command center (in good medication markets) and a telephone they can toss through the window. What is the apes purpose, to deliver a two-way?

I'm not willing to argue with anyone about this, I just think it's wrong as hell. Dogs can carry Radios.

Curmudgeon · Post by **Curmudgeon** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:42 pm

Yleefox wrote:I will admit to taking offense to your comment, "sending him where you are afraid to go." But I did try to lighten my reply with the banana joke.

Yleefox

I'm sorry, are you on the job out there or just taking that a little personal? I'll watch the generalizations.

My mind was visualizing the Police behind the trees while unarmed students were being shot in the VA classroom as evidenced by the shots in the movies background. I think a good plan and some training is needed if the Teachers, School Security Officers and students have to be unarmed, as was the case in VA.

Post by **Bullseye** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:47 pm

Whoa, lets keep it friendly. I don't see any arguments here, everyone is just having a little fun with this article. Let's not take anything personally - it's all been light hearted banter. Nobody believes that the police would arm a monkey - although I did see a SWAT tactical training picture release a while ago.

"Place your hands in the air, and step away from the banana!"

R,
Bullseye

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:38 pm

Bullseye wrote:

"Place your hands in the air, and step away from the banana!"

R,
Bullseye

I saw him at the range this afternoon, he was just shredding the center of the target. Very well mannered also, maybe better than some of the others there. He didn't have much to say but he and Bear did get along well.

Post by **Bullseye** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:44 pm

I don't know if I've ever saw any of these guys at the range, but there have been times where I've shot like I'm just monkeying around.

R,
Bullseye

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:46 pm

Bullseye wrote:I don't know if I've ever saw any of these guys at the range, but there have been times where I've shot like I'm just monkeying around.

R,
Bullseye

Well, it was either him or some short guy that really needs a shave.

Yleefox · Post by **Yleefox** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:50 pm

Been times at the range when I've shot like I've got a monkey on my back!

Y

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