Carry permit at last

ruger22 · Post by **ruger22** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:57 pm

Finally got my carry permit today. My two month long service DD-214 passed in VA (I posted back in May as to concerns it might not).

I'm not as excited as I thought I'd be. I don't know how often I'll carry. Probably not that much. It's just nice to now have that option available. And using Beretta .22 Bobcats for carry, I'm some combination of: confident, brave, and stupid.

Seriously, I consider the Bobcat a good carry gun. Small enough to carry year round, with any kind of clothing. Plenty of practice is cheap, for good first round placement and easy familiarity with the gun.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:34 am

ruger22 wrote:Finally got my carry permit today. My two month long service DD-214 passed in VA (I posted back in May as to concerns it might not).

I'm not as excited as I thought I'd be. I don't know how often I'll carry. Probably not that much. It's just nice to now have that option available. And using Beretta .22 Bobcats for carry, I'm some combination of: confident, brave, and stupid.

Seriously, I consider the Bobcat a good carry gun. Small enough to carry year round, with any kind of clothing. Plenty of practice is cheap, for good first round placement and easy familiarity with the gun.

Lots of people just carry when they think they will need it, wonder if theey only have a spare in their car when they expect to get a fflat? .22 is better than a shrp stick or is it? Under duress how accurate will that first shot be??? Just my persnal opinions, others opinions may vary.

Post by **Bullseye** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:17 am

Glad it all worked out. Having the opportunity to carry concealed is a liberating feeling. I don't carry all that often anymore but I do like having the capability to make my own choice by having a CCW license.

R,
Bullseye

KAZ · Post by **KAZ** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:42 am

I'm in the carry all the time group. It is the main reason that I acquired my Ruger LCP 380. It just disappears in it's pocket holster, and I forget that it is there when doing chores. Cheap insurance that I never hope to make a claim on

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:53 am

KAZ wrote:I'm in the carry all the time group. It is the main reason that I acquired my Ruger LCP 380. It just disappears in it's pocket holster, and I forget that it is there when doing chores. Cheap insurance that I never hope to make a claim on

Glad to hear that bud, Bear and I carry all the time also, usually the SA Micro and the P3AT as a backup. In my car, I have a battery pack a DC powered air compressor and a spare tire,hope I don't have to use the either but, will if I have to. Better to have them and not need them, than need the and not have them. .380ACP is as light as I will go as far as self defense gun, bigger is better? I think I figured out the Henry and other iron sight, I will e mail you later.

KAZ · Post by **KAZ** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:23 am

No doubt most will agree that in this case bigger is for certain better. I just had to face the fact that as I spend 90% of my time running around in shorts/tees that I just didn't carry my 1911/G26,etc as a matter of practice. The little LCP is always there, and if I couldn't RUN, I would only deploy it to buy time to work my way to:

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:37 am

KAZ wrote:No doubt most will agree that in this case bigger is for certain better. I just had to face the fact that as I spend 90% of my time running around in shorts/tees that I just didn't carry my 1911/G26,etc as a matter of practice. The little LCP is always there, and if I couldn't RUN, I would only deploy it to buy time to work my way to:

Now, that is definitely bigger, but a little hard to conceal. I will admit the little as the Europeans call it the 9mm short is a little on the light side, the little Ruger or KelTec point and shoot well and six in COM should definitely slow the BG down or stop him completely. I am too old to run on my bad knees, therefore the SA Micro in a hip pocket holster, with a baggy untucked T it is damn well out of sight. At 2 pounds loaded it is not a bad carry, my V--10 is a half pound heavier and much more noticeable as far as weight of carry goes, but they both shoot well.

Georgezilla · Post by **Georgezilla** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:35 pm

Congrats, ruger22! I think things are seldom as good as we think they will be.

bearandoldman wrote: Glad to hear that bud, Bear and I carry all the time also, usually the SA Micro and the P3AT as a backup. In my car, I have a battery pack a DC powered air compressor and a spare tire,hope I don't have to use the either but, will if I have to.

No flashlight?! I carry the 6 D-cell Mag-Lite in my car

smokey · Post by **smokey** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:08 pm

Congratulations RUGER22.....I'm a firm believer that a small caliber handgun is better than none at all. However, I think there needs to be a happy medium. For me it is my LCP 380. I normally like to carry a .40 or .45 but there were many times that it was a little hard to conceal these while wearing shorts and t-shirt in the summer months. I reluctantly bought the LCP .380 and I carry it a lot because it's size and weight makes it convenient and I have a fair amount of confidence in it doing the job. I refuse however to carry anything any smaller. I just don't have the confidence in stopping power. I once knew a man that was shot with a 22 caliber bullet and took the weapon away from the attacker and beat him to death. This may be the exception rather than the rule but I just don't have the confidence in a 22 stopping an attacker. This is just my opinion. Good luck to you.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:24 pm

Georgezilla wrote:Congrats, ruger22! I think things are seldom as good as we think they will be.

bearandoldman wrote: Glad to hear that bud, Bear and I carry all the time also, usually the SA Micro and the P3AT as a backup. In my car, I have a battery pack a DC powered air compressor and a spare tire,hope I don't have to use the either but, will if I have to.
No flashlight?! I carry the 6 D-cell Mag-Lite in my car

thanks for the reminder, ther eis one of those there also 6 big battery black mag lite, also a golf umbrella and one of those forld up sack chairs, also a bowl and a bottle of water for Bear or who ever else needs it.

blue68f100 · Post by **blue68f100** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:30 pm

Ruger22 Congrads on your carry permit.

It's a good habit of carrying every time you get dressed. That way it will become second nature and you will get comfortable carrying it. I carry a Sig 229 in 9mm. I have found that I can conceal (IWB) with shorts and long shirt tail top. But in most cases I wear jeans and old work shirts with the tails out. Since I'm home and alone most of the time you would ask why. The answer is simple there have been armed robbery in my neighborhood. Since I do not open shades, annoucing I'm home, know one can tale just by looking at the house. Since I'm disabled it take me awhile to get to the door if some one rings the bell. Gives me a chance to case who's there and weather I want to answer. I'm convinced my house has been cased at least once.

Now that I'm at my dad's house watching, while he went north to get away from the heat. It's common to hear gun shots all the time in the country. Most trying to protect their garden of trees. Then I do practice my presentation and double taps. Which this is not allowed at the indoor range where I shoot when in the city. One of the reason I use a airsoft for practice. Cheap to use and has the same weight and feel as my real gun.

Yleefox · Post by **Yleefox** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:36 pm

Congrats on the permit Ruger 22. I base my choice of to carry or not, primarily on what I am doing that particular day. In other words, where I'm going and for what purpose. For example, when I know I am going to an ATM, I make sure I have a gun handy. The wife and I walk a few miles nearly everyday. One of the routes we like, takes us through a heavily wooded area and during the weekdays there are not many if any other people there. It would be a good place for someone to ambush us. I think you get the picture, so I won't beat this to death.

The down side to carrying at times, is those places you can not legal take a firearm, such as on school grounds, courthouses, etc. A long time ago, when the kids were still in school, the wife would call and ask me to run by the school for various reasons. Well, that would create a problem for me, because of the gun (back then I carried 24/7). I would have to find a place to leave the gun before going on school property and then retrieve it afterwards. Again, I hope you get the idea that it can be a pain at times.

Lastly, I believe that any weapon is better than no weapon if you need it, however there are so many better firearms than a .22 for personal protection. It's not that the .22 will not kill your attacker, the issue is how long will it take to incapitate him. As much as I love to shoot .22s, the cold hard fact is, that this round simply has very little stopping power and your attacker may very well be able to do you serious harm before succumbing to the humble rimfire round.

Good luck and take care
Y

ruger22 · Post by **ruger22** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:56 pm

True, if the current ammo situation was better, I may have went .380. I like Ruger, but don't like "polymer" (to me, a ten dollar word for "plastic"), so no LCP for me.

My top choice would be a Walther PPK. Problem again, S&W production of those has a bad rep, older ones are a little tough for parts. I understand the different producers make interchangable parts unlikely. May be a PPK in my future, if S&W gets solid quality and .380 gets back in "normal" supply and price. Newer models, the Micro Desert Eagle looks my type.

Still, I like the Bobcats. At 10-20 feet, the right .22LR load can be pretty lethal. I understand better than .25ACP, and about even with .32ACP (the crack plagued Beretta Tomcat). Still, it's not quite up with .380.

Maybe it's better in metric terms. If I said I was using a 5.65 mm pistol, would that sound more effective?

The Bobcat's strong points are size and weight. It's 4.9 in. long, 3.7 high, and an inch thick. Less than a pound, loaded. You could stick it in a jockstrap!

My area is really pretty tame, but there are places and times where carry would be comforting. For now, it's the Bobcat. It may take three rounds, but someone would still wish they had done something besides bother me.

greener · Post by **greener** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:51 am

Good to see that the county finally came through with the CCW. The Bobcat is not bad for size and ease of carry. I don't carry all the time because there are lot's of places I go that it is discouraged or not permitted. Nice to have when I want to carry and, I think, takes away some of the chances of violating the concealed weapons laws during transport.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:12 am

greener wrote: I don't carry all the time because there are lot's of places I go that it is discouraged or not permitted. Nice to have when I want to carry and, I think, takes away some of the chances of violating the concealed weapons laws during transport.

I carry pretty much all of the time, I avoid places that do restrict my entry, they can get along fine without my business. As far as transport, yes it is good idea as you can accidentally tech nilly break the law. I MI, you can transport n unloaded cased firearm that is inaccessible to the driver and passenger as long as there are no loaded magazines, to and from a recognized range. If you stop for lunch, you are technically breaking the law,eh? As far as cost of ammo, my safety is worth very expensive ammo if required.

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