.22 For Defense

[bearandoldman]

I'm glad I wasn't drinking at the time I read the "3 Stupids" Rule. I don't believe I've heard it put that way before but it is so true!

R,nBullseye

Makes sense to me and pretty much the way I have lived.
I did not get this old by being stupid. And yes Greener you should retire.

[bgreenea3]

You mean I should retire?

Read into it what you wish.......

[bgreenea3]

I'm glad I wasn't drinking at the time I read the "3 Stupids" Rule. I don't believe I've heard it put that way before but it is so true!

R,nBullseye

Makes sense to me and pretty much the way I have lived.
I did not get this old by being stupid. And yes Greener you should retire.

It's kinda like the KISS priciple for staying out of trouble.......

I had a sgt that would tell all his deputies that if you followed his 3 P's and the Christmas rule he could defend almost any citizen complaint on you that came in...


3 P's

Be polite
Be professional
Have a plan.


The Christmas rule

"No L". = no lies

[bearandoldman]

You mean I should retire?

Read into it what you wish.......

And just what part of the word YES do you not understand?????

[Jack D]

Yesterday, I fired another ~180 rounds in the LCR 22 using the laser grip. I know some don't like lasers, but I find it far easier to use than sights on my handguns. I have them "0'd" at 40' and at anyting closer than this the bullet just goes where the red spot is. I can't focus on the sights, but that red dot is very easy to see in all but the brightest situations at 20-30 feet. It's great to see a hole appear very close to that red dot.

[Bullseye]

Always remember, and please never forget this one -

"You're never too old to learn something stupid!"

R,
Bullseye

[greener]

Always remember, and please never forget this one -

"You're never too old to learn something stupid!"

R,
Bullseye

The way I've heard that was "You're never too old to learn something, stupid!"

[greener]

Yesterday, I fired another ~180 rounds in the LCR 22 using the laser grip. I know some don't like lasers, but I find it far easier to use than sights on my handguns. I have them "0'd" at 40' and at anyting closer than this the bullet just goes where the red spot is. I can't focus on the sights, but that red dot is very easy to see in all but the brightest situations at 20-30 feet. It's great to see a hole appear very close to that red dot.

I like the laser on my M&P other than it doesn't work well on a sunlit range, so verifying the boresight is a trick.

[teejay]

Always used iron sights my whole life. I used a scope once. Put over a hundred rounds through 4 red targets without a flyer. The Red Dot would make life simpler, but got to go with what I know. Don't have anything against technology, except finger grips. They drive me nuts!!
So, is a .22 good enugh for home protection? TJ

[Jack D]

A real report on what a .22 lr can do. If one can do this what can 5, 6, or 7 do? Admittedly, the victim was not dressed in heavy clothing, but still.....


http://news.yahoo.com/autopsy-single-bu ... 44194.html

[greener]

A real report on what a .22 lr can do. If one can do this what can 5, 6, or 7 do? Admittedly, the victim was not dressed in heavy clothing, but still.....


http://news.yahoo.com/autopsy-single-bu ... 44194.html

the .22 is underestimated. We used a .22 to kill hogs. One well placed shot to the skull was all it took.

[Hakaman]

Personally, the only reason I am hesitant on carrying a 22lr for SD is the reliability of the round firing and feeding properly. The last thing you want is for the round not to ignite, or a feeding problem, which 22's have a higher frequency of. With that said, I do carry my Bobcat with CCI Velocitors. I can shoot 7 rounds very quickly and accurately in about 2 seconds. You never know when a hog is going to cross your path!

[ruger22]

Jack is certainly our .22 LR champion, but I agree with Hak. A .22 firearm has a reduced reliability that the bullet will actually chamber and fire when you need it most. At least with a revolver, like mine or Jack's LCR-22, a fail to fire is the main concern and you can just pull the trigger again.

Reading the report, though, there is the possibilty that the fatal round was a .22 WMR. There is no specific mention of what type .22 it was.

[Jack D]

Personally, the only reason I am hesitant on carrying a 22lr for SD is the reliability of the round firing and feeding properly. The last thing you want is for the round not to ignite, or a feeding problem, which 22's have a higher frequency of. With that said, I do carry my Bobcat with CCI Velocitors. I can shoot 7 rounds very quickly and accurately in about 2 seconds. You never know when a hog is going to cross your path!

That's a very real concern with any .22 lr semi-auto, especially one without an ejector. Keep your "time outs" handy with those. I carry my LCR for that reason. If one is a dud, just keep pulling the trigger. Actually, I can't remember when my last mis-fire was with premium ,22 ammo. And I usually only get one or two in a 500 round bulk box. Of course, I fire a lot more bulk stuff than I do premium so that may be the reason. My LCR when carried is loaded with Stingers and I can safely say that I've never had a Stinger FTF.

[Jack D]

Jack is certainly our .22 LR champion, but I agree with Hak. A .22 firearm has a reduced reliability that the bullet will actually chamber and fire when you need it most. At least with a revolver, like mine or Jack's LCR-22, a fail to fire is the main concern and you can just pull the trigger again.

Reading the report, though, there is the possibilty that the fatal round was a .22 WMR. There is no specific mention of what type .22 it was.

While I'm certainly not familiar with all .22WMR ammo, those that I am familiar with are copper plated or jacketed and the report says it was an all grey colored round nose bullet. That says it was most probably a long rifle to me. Of course, I could be wrong.

Jack is certainly our .22 LR champion

I can't hold a candle to most of the folks on this forum....22 or otherwise.