I've always had trouble seating a Stinger in my Hunter and MK11GC. They always needed a little bump to fully seat.
I ordered a Paco Kelly Acu'rizer after sending him two lead slugs of the barrels and he made up a custom re-sizer for me.
Takes a little time to do up a box of 50 but they all come out the same size and will fully seat in either pistol. Have not shot any yet but it should help the accuracy a little too.
This thing also can enlarge the hole in a hollow point, put a concave nose on the bullet and the "Nasty-Nose" tool makes up a bullet with a post looking like a Fed. Hydra-Shok.
More after I get some of the ammo to the range.
Acu'Rizer Tool
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May be awhile before I get to shoot any of the resized stuff, I'm sorely in need of a place to shoot and tinker more than shoot, but I have been playing with the tool and can't see how it won't improve accuracy.
I miked a bunch(50) of Fed. Value Pak bullets at the driving band and found variations of up to 0.002, from 0.222/0.224, and concentric variations as well.
After running them through the tool they all mike at 0.222 and are perfectly round.
If Billnkc/seal killer happens along here and sees this post he may get interested, try it and give us some of his results. I think it would help his long range accuracy efforts.
A tip for anyone who does try it.The instructions do not mention it but a little resizing lube that is used in sizing larger stuff for reloading is very helpful.
I miked a bunch(50) of Fed. Value Pak bullets at the driving band and found variations of up to 0.002, from 0.222/0.224, and concentric variations as well.
After running them through the tool they all mike at 0.222 and are perfectly round.
If Billnkc/seal killer happens along here and sees this post he may get interested, try it and give us some of his results. I think it would help his long range accuracy efforts.
A tip for anyone who does try it.The instructions do not mention it but a little resizing lube that is used in sizing larger stuff for reloading is very helpful.
Boomer,
Does your Paco Kelly accu'rzr look like this one?
Actually another person designed this jig to strike the bullets consistently so they'll all be the same shape. I know that your actual accu'rzr is the brass parts, but a striking jig may help with getting uniform bullets. Here's what all the parts look like separately.
The originator says that adding a leather piece to the underside of the striker plate will prevent damage to the brass punches. I think a piece of Delrin plastic would be an even better addition, it'll last longer and not absorb the kinetic energy of the striker plate.
Here's some bullets that have been through the accu'rzr.
R,
Bullseye
Does your Paco Kelly accu'rzr look like this one?
Actually another person designed this jig to strike the bullets consistently so they'll all be the same shape. I know that your actual accu'rzr is the brass parts, but a striking jig may help with getting uniform bullets. Here's what all the parts look like separately.
The originator says that adding a leather piece to the underside of the striker plate will prevent damage to the brass punches. I think a piece of Delrin plastic would be an even better addition, it'll last longer and not absorb the kinetic energy of the striker plate.
Here's some bullets that have been through the accu'rzr.
R,
Bullseye
Bullseye,
Yes, thats it exactly. Mine has the same punch rods.
That jig looks good and I can see the reasoning behind it. I am still just trying the tool out and that jig would be a big help. I also think I need a way to hit the punch rod with a standard force to really get precision.
That jig with a way to attach various weights to the "dropper bar", or a bar weighing around 2 lbs. with graduations on the guide posts for different drop heights, would seem to be the ideal set-up.
Lead solids, copper washed, hollow points and different brands of ammo all need a different stroke on the punch to get the same results so some way of standardizing the force on the punch for each type and brand of bullet would be ideal.
I'm using a 1/2lb. plastic hammer and get fairly consistent results but the jig idea looks like it should solve all the problems.
Sure wish I had the gear to make up a jig like that.
R,Jack
Yes, thats it exactly. Mine has the same punch rods.
That jig looks good and I can see the reasoning behind it. I am still just trying the tool out and that jig would be a big help. I also think I need a way to hit the punch rod with a standard force to really get precision.
That jig with a way to attach various weights to the "dropper bar", or a bar weighing around 2 lbs. with graduations on the guide posts for different drop heights, would seem to be the ideal set-up.
Lead solids, copper washed, hollow points and different brands of ammo all need a different stroke on the punch to get the same results so some way of standardizing the force on the punch for each type and brand of bullet would be ideal.
I'm using a 1/2lb. plastic hammer and get fairly consistent results but the jig idea looks like it should solve all the problems.
Sure wish I had the gear to make up a jig like that.
R,Jack
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bearandoldman
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Tinkering
Looks like too much tinkering to me Jack, I know the gun is abetter shooter than I will ever be and the standard cheapie ammo is a lot more accurate than me also. So I wlll just go th the range and send a lot if it down range and enjoy just shooting, Not oput to impress anyone other than myself and at my age I do not want to wast too much time that I can do the fun things.
Bullseye, have you any new info on the Mark II forum, last I heard was a week and that was near 2 weeks ago. Poor Rook must be having many problems, too many for such a nice young man, just because some idiot hates guns and anyone that has anything to do with them.
Bear and teh oldmand wish everyone to have a great day, Wooooofoie.
Bullseye, have you any new info on the Mark II forum, last I heard was a week and that was near 2 weeks ago. Poor Rook must be having many problems, too many for such a nice young man, just because some idiot hates guns and anyone that has anything to do with them.
Bear and teh oldmand wish everyone to have a great day, Wooooofoie.
You have great day and shoot straight and may the Good Lord smile on you.
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bearandoldman
- Ye Loquacious Olde Pharte
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Toys
An old man with no toys is a wasted life. Guess being in the repair business as I was for so many years, I try not to have things break by prventitive maintenance and I jsut love sending bullets down range. If it ain't broke I don't fix it, at my age we try to play as much as possible. My Ruger pistols will all have VQ sears shortly as it really makes for a nice trigger pull at 2#, but my carry guns will stay at 4 to 5# to prevent AD's.boomer47 wrote:bearandoldman,
I just enjoy the tinkering and trying to improve things. Between the guns and my three computers I always have something to play with(or break and fix) and if an old man does not have some toys to play with by the time he is my age he has had a wasted life.
Jack
You have great day and shoot straight and may the Good Lord smile on you.
Re: Toys
Funny thing about triggers. One of my favorite pistols is a S&W Sigma 40VE with an 8lb.DA pull. It is smooth enough that the weight hardly matters.bearandoldman wrote: An old man with no toys is a wasted life. Guess being in the repair business as I was for so many years, I try not to have things break by prventitive maintenance and I jsut love sending bullets down range. If it ain't broke I don't fix it, at my age we try to play as much as possible. My Ruger pistols will all have VQ sears shortly as it really makes for a nice trigger pull at 2#, but my carry guns will stay at 4 to 5# to prevent AD's.
My current MK11678GC now has a 22oz. pull but the only stock parts left in it that have anything to do with the trigger pull are the disconnector, sear pin and hammer spring.
Jack
Sorry Boomer, but here's the thread on The High Road where he discusses it.
http://www.thehighroad.org/printthread. ... ge=1&pp=25
Perhaps you can e-mail him and propose a deal. I noticed he went with a taller jig version for his striker.
I myself thought using a compression fixture jig that mounted onto a single stage reloading press might be more useful. That way, one could adjust the amount of bullet compression with a twist, instead of having to calibrate a drop with a metal weight. The output would be way more consistent and safer in my judgement.
R,
Bullseye
http://www.thehighroad.org/printthread. ... ge=1&pp=25
Perhaps you can e-mail him and propose a deal. I noticed he went with a taller jig version for his striker.
I myself thought using a compression fixture jig that mounted onto a single stage reloading press might be more useful. That way, one could adjust the amount of bullet compression with a twist, instead of having to calibrate a drop with a metal weight. The output would be way more consistent and safer in my judgement.
R,
Bullseye
Bullseye,
That sounds like a real good idea.
I have an old Lee single stage press and a bunch of old unused dies. I'll start trying to make up a rig.
1st thing I think of is to take the decapping pin out of a .45 sizing die and adjust the expander ball down out of the die to hit the forming punch rod. Adjusting the die up and down ought to give uniform results within each setting.
Jack
That sounds like a real good idea.
I have an old Lee single stage press and a bunch of old unused dies. I'll start trying to make up a rig.
1st thing I think of is to take the decapping pin out of a .45 sizing die and adjust the expander ball down out of the die to hit the forming punch rod. Adjusting the die up and down ought to give uniform results within each setting.
Jack
Great minds think alike, and a Lee single stage press was one that I had in mind while I was thinking about this set up. Its inexpensive and good sized for this type of work. I was thinking of a seating component a little more bulkier than a decapping pin. A .45 wadcutter seating die might fit the bill. You can screw the seating element downwards quite a bit to adjust for bullet crimp. Two part like these should work.
For the other end, ramrod side, I'd make a part similar to the base of the fixture pictured above. It would allow the Paco Kelly sizer to sit in it, like a tray, but would be fastened to the ramrod exactly like the Lee shellholders do.
Just a few ideas to get you started, I'm sure these are things you've already considered.
R,
Bullseye
For the other end, ramrod side, I'd make a part similar to the base of the fixture pictured above. It would allow the Paco Kelly sizer to sit in it, like a tray, but would be fastened to the ramrod exactly like the Lee shellholders do.
Just a few ideas to get you started, I'm sure these are things you've already considered.
R,
Bullseye
Bullseye,
Yeah, we are on the same page.
I found a .45acp expander ball in my junk drawer that has a flat end on it that is a little larger than the head of the punches.
Glued a piece of 1/8" delrin on the ram after taking the shell holder off and ran the die down to where I have a good bit of adjustment leeway on the expander stem.
Set it all up to where the top of the tool body just hits the press frame as a positive stop and adjust the expander stem up or down as needed.
I ran 20 rounds through the setup this morn. and it looks like a winner.
Time comsuming but back when I was shooting in competition I loaded my own and weighed and sorted bullets and cases then weighed each powder charge so I am used to spending a little extra time to get it right.
Thanks for the idea on the press. Looks like this setup will do what I wanted.
Now all I have to is get around to a little shooting to see if all this is worth the trouble.
Jack
I tried the wadcutter seater idea but the head of the punch would not always hit the center of the of the stem because the die is so much larger giving the puch room to tilt and I could'nt tell if the punch was in the hole in the end of the stem or on the lip of it. The expander ball works fine.
Yeah, we are on the same page.
I found a .45acp expander ball in my junk drawer that has a flat end on it that is a little larger than the head of the punches.
Glued a piece of 1/8" delrin on the ram after taking the shell holder off and ran the die down to where I have a good bit of adjustment leeway on the expander stem.
Set it all up to where the top of the tool body just hits the press frame as a positive stop and adjust the expander stem up or down as needed.
I ran 20 rounds through the setup this morn. and it looks like a winner.
Time comsuming but back when I was shooting in competition I loaded my own and weighed and sorted bullets and cases then weighed each powder charge so I am used to spending a little extra time to get it right.
Thanks for the idea on the press. Looks like this setup will do what I wanted.
Now all I have to is get around to a little shooting to see if all this is worth the trouble.
Jack
I tried the wadcutter seater idea but the head of the punch would not always hit the center of the of the stem because the die is so much larger giving the puch room to tilt and I could'nt tell if the punch was in the hole in the end of the stem or on the lip of it. The expander ball works fine.