LCR-22 off to Ruger

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LCR-22 off to Ruger

Post by ruger22 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:52 pm

Ruger even called my house early this morning to see if it was sent. They are as anxious to get it, as I am to get it back. They had me put someone's attention on the box, and said they put an "alert" on it. Sounds good, whatever it means.

I just wish I knew how I'll get it back, direct or through an FFL. They didn't ask for any FFL info so far, though. Last time I had a gun come into an LGS, that opened at 10 AM, idiot UPS tried to deliver at 8:30 AM and never came back until the gun shop called and complained. The UPS guy made it back at 2 PM.

I have the general feeling they are planning to replace it, and I could get one back Friday. They'll have it tomorrow, and that would give them 24 hours to ship one out.

Why do we have such a fit when we're waiting for a gun we've ordered, or sent off for work? Be honest, we all do it......... :roll:
* 2 Ruger Bearcat stainless, w/ EWK ejector housings & Wolff springs
* Ruger SP-101 .22LR, w/ Wolff springs
* 2 NAA Guardian .32ACP
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Post by pgeobc » Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:01 pm

Generally a firearm is returned to its owner, or at least the person from whom it was obtained. The exception is when the serially-numbered part is changed; then it must go through an FFL

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Post by ruger22 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:25 pm

pgeobc wrote:Generally a firearm is returned to its owner, or at least the person from whom it was obtained. The exception is when the serially-numbered part is changed; then it must go through an FFL
Actually not, just so the replacement gun is the exact same model. It certainly is confusing, like anything the government does. This was passed on to me on Rugerforum.net (kinda long):

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26 CFR 178.124: FIREARMS TRANSACTION RECORDS
(Also 178.123, 178.125, 178.147)

Form 4473 shall not be required to record disposition of a like replacement firearm when such firearm is delivered by a licensee to the person from whom the malfunctioning or damaged firearm was received, provided such disposition is recorded in the licensee's permanent records.
ATF Rul. 74-20
[Status of ruling: Active]

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has been requested to state its position in regard to the requirement for the execution of a Firearms Transaction Record, Form 4473, when a defective, damaged or otherwise malfunctioning firearm is replaced by a federal licensee as an alternative to the repair and return to the purchaser of the defective firearm.
The proviso under 26 CFR 178.124(a) states that Form 4473 shall not be required to record the disposition made of a firearm that is delivered to a licensee for the sole purpose of repair or customizing when such firearm is returned to the person from whom received. No specific mention is made in that statement in regard to a "replacement" that may be furnished to the customer in lieu of repairing and returning the damaged or malfunctioning merchandise. However, 26 CFR 178.147 states ". . . notwithstanding any other provisions of this part, the . . . licensed manufacturer . . . may return in interstate commerce . . . a replacement firearm of the same kind and type." In view of the above, 26 CFR 178.147 may be so interpreted as to allow the disposition of such firearms without the execution of Form 4473 to record the transaction.

It is held, therefore, that a firearms transaction record, Form 4473, shall not be required to record the disposition of a replacement firearm of the same kind and type where such a firearm is delivered by a licensee to the person from whom the malfunctioning or damaged firearm was received.

It should be noted, however, that the licensee is required by 26 CFR 178.125 to maintain in his permanent records the disposition of such a replacement firearm.

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So, firearms manufacturers, like Ruger, could save money by not needing to reimburse FFL fees in most cases of replacing a non-repairable gun. It would also make the customers much happier compared to the FFL headache.

I personally think you should be able to exchange a defective gun just like a defective toaster.
* 2 Ruger Bearcat stainless, w/ EWK ejector housings & Wolff springs
* Ruger SP-101 .22LR, w/ Wolff springs
* 2 NAA Guardian .32ACP
* 3 Zastava M70 .32ACP
* S&W 15-22 Sport (.22LR AR)
* 2 Ruger SR22 .22LR pistols

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