Trying too hard?

Downeaster · Post by **Downeaster** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:38 pm

Bullseye wrote:I have not noticed being able to see through the dot. Sounds like your dot intensity is turned very low. If that was the case, then you may be able to see through it, because the aiming dot is just reflected on the front scope lens and is superimposed on the downrange image within the scope tube.

R,
Bullseye

In fact, I did have the intensity turned down, relatively speaking. It was a bright day (one of dang few so far this summer...) and I was seeing just how far I could turn it down and still see it. I was also checking to see if the dot size varied noticeably with intensity (it doesn't appear to.)

Probably just a fluke, but I'll try to remember to check it out next time I get a minute to go and shoot.

Curmudgeon · Post by **Curmudgeon** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:15 am

Bullseye wrote:You get all kinds at the range. One just has to live with it,or join a private club. I rarely, if ever, go to public ranges anymore.

Did you like the smaller end of the light tube better?

R,
Bullseye

Yes, it covers much less of the bulls eye, and leaves a more distinct round circle with a small equal gap on each side of my factory rear sight blade. There was a marked improvement, IMHO. No going back.

I might be able to just stick the light pipe in from the front and view the rear w/o modifying the pipe itself. That is how I was shooting last time. The little tension leaf under the pipe would be somewhat compromised as far as a sure lock, but I can't see the pipe sliding out.

It seems like the wide end isn't there, when viewed from the small end. Someone try it at your next outing and let me know what you think.
PS, I like the green indoors and the red outdoors, but don't know why. I guess it's the background.

On another note, I sprayed my gun down with Break Free, let it sit and blew it off with an air hose, and swabbed the bore with a new swab. No fouling visible. It looked clean so I put it away. Now the guilty feelings are creeping in. Is that okay to clean a gun that way. I feel so dirty.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:02 am

Curmudgeon, was just looking at the HiViz sight for one of my 22/45's and set it on the barrel backwards and it looks good. No reason you can not take the screw out and turn it around to look at the small end, the only difference is the ramp points forward.

Curmudgeon · Post by **Curmudgeon** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:26 pm

That and the distance between the front and rear sight isn't as far, and it looks a little strange.

It sure gives you a smaller, clearer front dot. You can just flip the pipe to see what I'm talking about.

I'd love to go target practicing with a couple of you serious shooters.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:40 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:That and the distance between the front and rear sight isn't as far, and it looks a little strange.

It sure gives you a smaller, clearer front dot. You can just flip the pipe to see what I'm talking about.

I know what you are talking about, who cares what it looks like if it gets the job done. We are not out to win beauty contests or are we? As far as changing the sight radius, yes it doe but not by more than 3/8 of an inch.
You might also chuck uo the insert in a drill motor and sand it doen with one of you lady's emery boards, I have thought of doing that myself, but have not yet tried it.

greener · Post by **greener** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:58 pm

I don't think making it smaller would have any affect on appearance. Some of the Hi-Viz/light pipe sights are small, uniform cylinders. As far as turning the sight base around, I'm willing to bet that not 1 in 100 will notice.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:03 pm

greener wrote:I don't think making it smaller would have any affect on appearance. Some of the Hi-Viz/light pipe sights are small, uniform cylinders. As far as turning the sight base around, I'm willing to bet that not 1 in 100 will notice.

Methinks that would be damn safe bet, I would even put my own money on that one.

Curmudgeon · Post by **Curmudgeon** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:34 am

It's done, smaller, clearer and staying that way. Thanks guys, now I need to mow grass before I can go to the range. Say a little prayer for rain.

Hardball · Post by **Hardball** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:34 pm

I define accuracy as hitting inside the ten ring at 50 yards. Others define it at 7 yards center of mass, or minute of tin can at many yards. A week or so ago I printed sub 1" groups at 50 in an ammo selection test from sandbags. That's the accuracy I am looking for. What is your definition or standard of accuracy?

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:07 pm

Hardball wrote:I define accuracy as hitting inside the ten ring at 50 yards. Others define it at 7 yards center of mass, or minute of tin can at many yards. A week or so ago I printed sub 1" groups at 50 in an ammo selection test from sandbags. That's the accuracy I am looking for. What is your definition or standard of accuracy?

AS my mentor in sself defense, a 20 year veteran homicide detective for a major police dept defines it, " two minutes of felon is good enough"

Curmudgeon · Post by **Curmudgeon** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:13 pm

I don't have a good yardstick to tell you how accurate I am, I guess the thing I should say is, I enjoy shooting very much. My mind is on shooting and improving 100% and 0% on the President's crap. (That is the point isn't it?)

I don't have a good indoor range except the 15 yard range that is close to my house. The outdoor range is set up about the same. I can stay in five inch color change targets all day long barring an occasional brain fart, and I group well within the 2" circle. The 1" circle gets hit with every load of five shots, but I never seem to group right on the center no matter how I fool with the adjustable sight. (It needs finer detent increments and less screw slop when changing directions)

Good bad or indifferent, I enjoy it and seem to be as good as or better than the guy in the next slot.

Can someone buff me up on changing directions with my rear sight screw?

greener · Post by **greener** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:06 pm

A clockwise movement of the adjustment screw moves the POI low (top-elevation) or left (side-windage). That's about all I can say because I do not recall what a click changes.

From your description, you would easily be in the top 25% of the shooters I see. Take a look at http://www.bullseyepistol.com/, especially the error analysis link.

I ought to let the real shooters offer advice, but, some suggestions

1. If your shots aren't grouping, that is a sign of a number if inconsistencies. It could be not shooting the same sight picture. I'd suggest you try not adjusting the sights and shooting as best you can the same sight picture until the rounds start grouping in one area, then adjust the sights.

2. Make sure you are focusing on the front sight and not the target.

3. Make sure you have a consistent front-rear sight alignment.

4. Shoot at smaller targets. It forces concentration. Sometimes the big old target allows you to not focus on the center. Some of the best shooters I've seen use a 1" or smaller shoot'n'see stickie on a blank piece of paper as the target.

Post by **Bullseye** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:43 am

Here's the sight adjustment chart for the Ruger 22 Auto pistol.

Adjust your rear sight in the direction you want you impacts to move. Example- if you shots are 2" to the left then you want to move the sights for 2" of right correction, or turn windage screw four clicks counterclockwise direction.

R,
Bullseye

Curmudgeon · Post by **Curmudgeon** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:02 pm

Thanks, I'm loving this hobby. I grabbed another four boxes of Federal 550 packs at Wally world today.

I wish I could install 1/2 clicks somehow. Thanks to everyone for the help. I'm going to join a shooting club on the recommendation/invitation of a old friend I just re-found.

greener · Post by **greener** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:04 pm

Hardball wrote:I define accuracy as hitting inside the ten ring at 50 yards. Others define it at 7 yards center of mass, or minute of tin can at many yards. A week or so ago I printed sub 1" groups at 50 in an ammo selection test from sandbags. That's the accuracy I am looking for. What is your definition or standard of accuracy?

You need to define what kind of shooting you are going. My son is satisfied with grouping in the center of a paper plate with a pistol. He is an LEO and his focus is defensive shooting. Mine is tighter groups at 25 yards. I probably will never meet my goals because I do not concentrate on shooting one handgun. I rotate through my collection, which leaves me ok with most of them but never really good with one or two, assuming I could ever be really good. For me, shooting is a great way to relax.